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In case you missed the actual debate, you may not know how the Dem candidates all (except Gravel)answered Tim Russert’s question, “Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term, more than five years from now, there will be no U.S. troops in Iraq?”
While the media, and the Republics, candidates, and some netrooters have painted some or all all these responses as “refusing to get all troops out of Iraq”, the reality seems very different to me.
See reality, below.
Excerpts from the transcript of the debate:
OBAMA: If there are still large troop presences in — when I take office, then the first thing I will do is call together the Joint Chiefs of Staff and initiate a phased redeployment. We’ve got to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in, but military personnel indicate we can get one brigade to two brigades out per month.
I would immediately begin that process. We would get combat troops out of Iraq. The only troops that would remain would be those that have to protect U.S. bases and U.S. civilians, as well as to engage in counterterrorism activities in Iraq.
CLINTON: Well, Tim, it is my goal to have all troops out by the end of my first term. But I agree with Barack; it is very difficult to know what we are going to be inheriting.
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there may be a continuing counterterrorism mission, which, if it still exists, will be aimed at Al Qaida in Iraq. It may require combat, special operations forces or some other form of that. But the vast majority of our combat troops should be out.
EDWARDS: I will immediately draw down 40,000 to 50,000 troops; and over the course of the next several months, continue to bring our combat troops out of Iraq until all of our combat troops are, in fact, out of Iraq.
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I think somewhere in the neighborhood of a brigade of troops will be necessary to accomplish that (protect the embassy and humanitarian workers), 3,500 to 5,000 troops.
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I do not think we should continue combat missions in Iraq.
RICHARDSON: my position in bringing all troops out of Iraq is to end the war.
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I would bring them out through roads, through Kuwait and through Turkey. It would take persuading Turkey. The issue is light equipment. I would leave some of the light equipment behind.
(My Note: I have read many Richardson supporters’ posts that claim he means keeping troops to protect the embassy, but that embassy soil is US soil so those don’t count.)
DODD: I will get that done.
BIDEN: I would make a commitment to have them all out if there is not a political reconciliation, because they’re just fodder.
KUCINICH: I know that we can get out of there three months after I take office or after the new president takes office if one is determined to do that. And I want to make it clear that the plan includes ending the occupation; closing the bases; bringing the troops home…
Here’s my personal distillation:
Obama – most out, keep some counter-insurgency troops
Edwards – no combat troops, leaving leeway for protective troops
Clinton – most out is a “goal”, keep some combat troops
Richardson – trying to create an issue by saying zero but doesn’t really mean it
Biden – get them out if my plan doesn’t work
Kucinich – solidly pro-peace
Dodds – said what he needed to to get Russert off his back
The media coverage has absolutely trashed the Dem candidates on this issue, and it’s been fueled by well-intentioned anti-war progressives who want to try to get candidates to super-duper promise that they will really end the war. I understand the need for that, but the general perception is evolving that Dems are not even against limiting US involvement in this war, really, and that will cut heavily into our electorate in Nov 08.
Washington Post:
Wanted: Democratic Straight Talk on Iraq
By Eugene Robinson
Friday, September 28, 2007
“Yes, you heard it right: At the Dartmouth College debate Wednesday evening, not one of the three leading Democratic candidates could pledge that all U.S. combat troops would be out of Iraq by the end of his or her first term as president.”
The NY Times:
Candidates Hedge Bets on Iraq Withdrawal
September 26, 2007
By JEFF ZELENY and PATRICK HEALY
“The three leading Democratic presidential candidates refused on Wednesday night to promise that they would withdraw all American troops from Iraq by the end of their first term, saying in a televised debate here that they could not predict the future challenges in Iraq.”
All these candidates look weak, maybe you think they are, but I see at least some candidates who are giving pretty good specifics on fundamentally ending this war. Can we get that message out to voters?