7 thoughts on “Obama protects torturers”

  2. a very good article: http://www.populistamerica.com…

    The illogic of Obama’s position on these photos is stunning. Since we know the photos exist, the refusal to make them public can only feed a sense that they must be worse than the horrific photos of torture at Abu Ghraib Prison which were already released. Nobody is going to assume that the photos in the White House’s possession are less offensive than what has already been discovered and made public–for why would the administration be worried about that?

    But that’s only part of the president’s slide into Cheneyism. We have the president now calling for the possible indefinite detention of terror suspects–an idea that only insures that there will always be an incentive for recruiting more terrorists (to avenge those in captivity)–and that makes a joke of our own Constitution, which guarantees everyone–not just citizens–the right to a trial, the right to a presumption of innocence, and protection from “cruel and unusual punishment,” which indefinite detention certainly is.

  3. and this time around the torture was meant to support the multiple cheney/bush lies about Iraq …

    The head of the Criminal Investigation Task Force at Guantanamo from 2002-2005 confirmed to McClatchy that in late 2002 and early 2003, intelligence officials were tasked to find, among other things, Iraq-al Qaida ties, which were a central pillar of the Bush administration’s case for its March 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    . . .

    He said he was unaware of the origins of the directive, but a former senior U.S. intelligence official has told McClatchy that Cheney’s and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s offices were demanding that information in 2002 and 2003.

    (Cheney said Gitmo detainees revealed Iraq-al Qaida link, McClatchy, 05/15/09)

    And torture the good Nazis under cheney/bush did. Drowning, sleep deprivation and stress positions and heat/cold exposure and noise and beatings and thrown into walls and chemical attacks and more.

    None of these torturers, whether the actual practitioners or merely co-conspirators, is a good human being worth anybody’s protection.

    An aside:

    A key proponent of the Iraq invasion and of harsh interrogation methods, Cheney has become the leading defender of such measures, which included forced nudity, prolonged sleep deprivation, stress positions and waterboarding, which simulates drowning.

    (ibd)

    No, it is not “harsh treatment”, it is torture. And waterboarding is not simulated drowning, it is controlled drowning over and over again. A near death repeated at the whim of the good Nazis and under the direction of cheney/bush and the rest of the torturers.

    FUCK YOU OBAMA for not being man enough to do the right thing and pursue these scum.

  4. May I tell you that my own mama inflicted more actual physical pain on me and my brother Nick – raising welts on our butts with a sewing machine belt when we got really out of line – than any of the techniques, including “waterboarding,” that detainees of the U.S. military have endured.

    (Mr. President, may I suggest …?, an open letter from good Nazi Pat Boone to Obama as posted on World Net Daily, 05/16/09)

    First off: Boone is an ignorant ass. All he needs to do is be hogtied in a bone twisting contortion, have someone get a boom box with headphones and put the headphones on Boone with the volume turned to full, turn the temperature down to 55F and leave the ass there for a few weeks, nay days … hell hours followed by a handful of controlled drowning experiences.

    Then compare the pain from the child abuse heaped upon him by his mother to what he comes out of.

    But it’s this last part that really gets to the truth. The obvious physical abuse heaped upon Boone as a child and the circle of violence he has never been able to free himself from.

    Boone is a sad character full of hate and a life learned lesson that violence and projecting pain is how one deals with life and adversity. This is a great illustration of why the good cheney/bush Nazis (the ones Obama has recently grown so fond of) are like they are … harsh childhoods and nobody ever teaching them that such as whipping another with a sewing machine belt until welts are raised is immoral and totally counter productive … unless all you want to do is give pain.

    These cheney/bush good Nazis are not the people I want to see providing guidance to the President of the United States of America.

  6. I don’t usually watch Glenn Beck unless he’s going to have a guest on that I like but today was extra good! Not only was he not there but the good Judge Andrew Napolitano was hosting and he and Ron Paul had an awesome discussion about closing Guantanamo! Awesome awesome awesome.



    NAPOLITANO: Should Guantanamo Bay be closed as a prison camp for detainees?

    PAUL: Yes.

    NAPOLITANO: Why?

    PAUL: Sure it should be closed. We don’t need it. It was unnecessary the way these prisoners were captured were very questionable. They haven’t had really due process, so the real thugs that need to be tried, they ought to be tried, but they have deleted the funding mainly because the Republicans have won the argument because they turned this into, you know, if you don’t support the continuation of these military tribunals and you don’t support Guantanamo, maybe you support sending them into your district and they will be your neighbors, and the Democrats were convinced of that. They won the P.R. fight, and so therefore, they all became squeamish, and even the President backed down, so that’s why there’s no funding for closing Guantanamo, and I guess it will be open for an an indefinite future.

    NAPOLITANO: I visited Guantanamo about three years ago. As a physical plant, it is extraordinary. It is better than many prisons…in the United States of America, but the issue is not the physical plant. The issue is not the three square meals a day. The issue is why are these people there, and how can we keep them without proving that they have done something wrong and some legitimate, recognized court of law?

    PAUL: I think that’s the key to it, and so far, they don’t have an answer, because they’re not allowing them to be tried in a legitimate court of law. I think a good example was set with the individuals that were involved with the bombing of the towers in 1993. I mean, we even went into Pakistan, arrested them, brought them over here and tried them in our court system, and they’re not our neighbors. They are in a federal prison and nobody feels threatened by them. I’m not sure why they are so determined not to pursue the law. Anyway, it has been politicized enough and it looks like the politicians are going to win this argument and the rule of law will not win.”

    (I got this transcript via HuffPo, though like I said I did watch the show.)

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